Its weird because I remember it taking me 11-12 hours a level 50-60 pre-tbc. I would take about 2-3 hours even in the 30’s (this was post-tbc). I didn’t level many alts so I was probably inefficient but the grind has been maybe looked back too fondly upon? WoW was annoying in the level grind because basically all you had to look forward to was quests and the occasional dungeon. Then Bg’s were added and you were useless till the higher part of the tier anyways. But I mainly think World RVR Should have greatly enhanced incentives (As I thought this was to be the main focus anyways). I heard someone mention the thought of a server with no scenarios, only World RVR, thats an interesting idea…

By Konig on Oct 8, 2008

So you are the guy who actually buys a leveling guide…

Honestly though, if you spent 2hrs+ to gain half a Rank, you were doing something wrong. Either really inefficient questing, dying often, or something, because it simply does not take that long.

By Syncaine on Oct 8, 2008

I find it hard to say WAR progression is slow. Game has not been out a month yet and you are at the half way mark. I guess game pacing and progression is different to each person. I am pretty happy with my progression. And even better .. I am having a blast in tier 2 (PvE and RvR).

By mikejl on Oct 8, 2008

Leveling is fast enough as it is. It takes about 5 hours/level in the 20’s. Always stay in the scenario’s queue while grinding PQs and doing quests above your level.

It’s an mmo, not an fps. It needs a little effort to get “there”.

Go, go, go!

By Carrasco on Oct 8, 2008

The thing is: you’re not supposed to be doing PvE only (according to the wishes and desires of the game designers).

The video podcasts talking about leveling make it clear that, while you can level throught PvE-only or RvR-only, the faster, most efficient way to do it is mixing both methods. Even when losing on scenarios you still get plenty of XP, so it helps a lot.

I’m playing between 2 to 3 hours a day every weekday (more on the weekends), focusing on quests, making PQs when I’m sent to one, and pretty much all the time queued-up for scenarios, and I’ve been making about one rank a day (two if you consider I’m also getting one renown rank a day).

So I don’t think the leveling is bad so far, at least for me. It’s also good to notice that I’m playing pretty much only on the Elf pair.

By Kemwer on Oct 8, 2008

Due yo my occupation, I can’t actually play atm, but all my buddies back home have been telling me leveling is really fast. Our guild has about five rank 40 characters while some of the more casual guys said they had to SLOW down so they could enjoy the game more.

I can’t say what you are doing wrong, if anything, but I can say my guildies who are rank 40 pretty much grinded PQs and scenarios non-stop.

By Odius on Oct 8, 2008

The leveling really does slow down too much at tier 2. It shouldn’t slow down so much until tier 4 IMO

By Thallian on Oct 8, 2008

Ahhhh. My main, Black Orc, is mixing RvR (open and scenarios) and PvE/PQs whe nI play. So I have not tried pure PvE with him.
However, my alt (Gitwit) I’m RP’ing and not doing any RvR. I play him less so I have not felt this yet. Will be an interesting experience leveling up that Squig Herder w/o any RvR.

By mikejl on Oct 8, 2008

WAR has the slowest leveling in any big western MMO since… DAoC? I’m level 23.5 and I have almost 3.5 days of /played time. When I’m on, I am gaining experience. I waste 0 seconds crafting, I spend maybe 10 minutes a day going to the auction house then camping out in the guild hall.

As comparison, a friend of mine who dallies about in WoW and really doesn’t focus on gaining levels has 7 days /played and is level 68.

At this rate, I’ll have 10+ days /played by level 40.

240 hours to initial cap (initial because you have the renown grind afterwards) doesn’t SEEM long, but psychologically it sucks when I gain so little XP per kill compared to my level.

By Ryan Shwayder on Oct 8, 2008

And to clarify: I’m on a medium pop server with playing Destruction. Scenarios take a while to get into, so they aren’t great at augmenting my XP. So, most of those 3.5 days /played are PvE. Probably 5-6 hours are scenarios.

By Ryan Shwayder on Oct 8, 2008

I don’t know. It seems like the pace is just right to me but I’ll be the first to admit I’m probably not your average leveler.

Case in point, when I logged on yesterday after work I was about 55% towards rank 33. Now I could have sat at the repeatable scenario quest giver and done the T4 scenario that kept insta-popping and turned in the 4K XP reward as well as earn XP through kills. This would’ve been the most efficient and fastest way to ding. But it wouldn’t have been fun for me.

Instead, I decided to clear out some old quests in my log and fly to the T3 zone, High Pass to complete them. Turning them in, I discovered some quests I had missed the first time through that zone including a long quest chain which Mythic has labeled Epic Quest.

Being the completist that am, I decided to complete these as well oftentimes fighting mobs which were gray to me. The XP for the quest turnins were far below what I was used to getting by now. But by the end of the night, I was able to ding 33 without even noticing and also clear out all the old quests from my log.

To celebrate I queued for the insta-popping scenario and played a few games before finally turning in for the night.

By Winged Nazgul on Oct 8, 2008

I see what you’re getting at. I think the best design would be to have it so that if you are leveling completely off PvE with no PvP, it would go the same speed as if you were leveling completely off PvP with no PvE. With obviously the best choice being a mixture for the fastest speed.

It seems like on a scale of 1-5 speed (5 being fastest of course), doing a mixture of PvE and PvP puts your leveling speed at about 5, doing just PvP puts it at a 3-4 and leveling just PvE puts it at 1-2. I haven’t played WAR myself, but that’s just what it sounds like from you. The xp gains just seem a little imbalanced towards PvP instead of having a 2.5 speed for both PvP and PvE.

By Mordiceius on Oct 8, 2008

If you think early T2 was bad, wait until you reach T3+. A chapter’s XP rewards, if you do all the quests, will reward you with about half a level’s worth. You move on to the next chapter, you find mobs are +2 levels higher. So in fact, for normal progression, you have to complete all the three storylines for a given chapter and play a bunch of scenarios as well, in order to be able to advance to the next chapter. Alternatively, you can just mindlessly grind scenarios which are far better xp return on your time.

By Tuncal on Oct 8, 2008

PVE sucks in this game, what you need to do is do your PVE while you wait for a scenarios to pop for, this game is all about RVR and PVP, and they made it that way. Sure they gave PVE some nice stuff, but you really can’t do anything with it to level up with, PVE is there for you to do while you wait for some PVP action of some sort to happen. Its also there so you can get nice items, and the only leveling thing in PVE is the PQ’s, which only work when you have a group! I feel for ya man, I have fallen behind my with the levels and everything but hey I only PVE now while waiting for scenarios, and it works great! Anyway hope you get up to speed.

By Forced to order on Oct 8, 2008

@Snafzg: for some reason the videos are not opening right now for me, so I cannot check which one it is, but I believe that on the production podcast #3, when talking about the RvR lakes and how you can avoid them if you choose, Josh explains that mixing both types of content gives greater benefits for leveling (I remember the animation of the little dude waving through the map on both RvR and PvE areas ).

But anyway, that is my experience. By mixing PvE and RvR, you can level pretty fast and efficient, specially if you try to keep your renown rank close to your main rank, because you can unlock some cool renown equips that will be actually useful when you get them.

By Kemwer on Oct 8, 2008

@Forced to order: I really, really disagree with you. I’m not gonna say WAR PvE is as good as WoW, but I’m having a lot of fun playing, and I have always been mostly a PvE player.

WAR’s PvE won’t necessarily be your thing, but it most definitely does not “suck”, specially when you consider that it doesn’t fall much behind the game that got well known for its excellent PvE leveling, WoW. It is not the same, but then again, it was never meant to be.

By Kemwer on Oct 8, 2008

You’re comparing your time to level in WoW after you’ve figured out the best ways to do it (by paying for a guide) and having done it as fast as possible.

Yet you’re purposely taking the slowest way to level (pure PvE/PQs) in WAR and comparing.

I played for less than an hour last night. I did nothing but Morkain Temple and went from 17.5 to 18.6. I’m at 25 hours played.

I concur the PvE is too slow (and I think they really penalize you for killing a mob at your level or below), but you can’t compare WoW leveling to WAR leveling when you spent so much time perfecting WoW leveling.

By Tim on Oct 8, 2008

I haven’t had any trouble leveling up to 22. I’ve done a combination of PQs, local quests and scenarios. Each of those options have provided a lot of experience and I’ve found myself wanting to slow down a bit. The only area that you don’t get decent experience from is open world RVR.

My recommendation is to find or put together a group of 5 or more people and run the PQs that are 1-2 levels above your current rank. Then run the PQ 3-5 times to max out your influence rewards. During the PQ reset timer, complete all of the quests nearby. Within a couple hours, you will have gained a lot of experience and loot.

Once I am mid tier in terms of my rank, I join the scenarios. If we are winning, I will run them 3-5 times. If we are losing, I try to find a solid PQ group.

During the off-peak hours when there aren’t many people to quest with, I round up and complete as many individual quests as possible. The best time to gain experience is during the peak hours because it is easier to gather a large group and roll through the content.

Now that I’m rank 22, I’ve noticed the leveling is slowing a bit. However, I can still gain about a half rank in 3-4 hours of play. I don’t mind the slower pace because I want to explore all of the content. I felt like I was blowing through Tiers 1 and 2.

By Jason on Oct 8, 2008

Everyone talks about running scenarios as if this is an option for everyone. I am up to 16 hours of play time in tier 3 on my main. As soon as I login I get into the queue for all 6. I have yet to run a single tier 3 scenario.

Trying to level only off of PVE does not work toward the end/middle of Tier 2. You soon find yourself lagging behind due to lack of content.

On my server there are many players in the 27-29 range that are completely DONE with all of the quests and influence in tier 3 yet aren’t quite high enough for tier 4. So they are stuck finding PQ groups to grind away in while they too sit in scenario queues that never pop.

By Centuri on Oct 8, 2008

I must say i don’t agree with your memory of leveling in WoW at release. I was leveling a mage and it took me a long day of playing (6-8 hours to get 2 levels from 20-40. After that it was 3 levels every two days up until 50 and then it was a level every day or two. Sure, i didn’t have a leveling guide but then You aren’t using a leveling guide in WAR either and are consiously choosing to NOT do the most efficient XP gain (scenarios).

WAR has an insanely fast leveling rate. I’m playing maybe 10 hours a week (compared to roughly 50 a week at WoW’s) release and I’m pretty sure I’ll be 40 in about 2 months of playing. (I hit 60 about 1 month after WoW’s release)

Hell, the game is only 3.5 weeks old and there are a good 10 people in my guild lvl 40. I was the first level 60 in my guild in WoW by a good 2 weeks.

By Lalkin on Oct 8, 2008

I haven’t felt the grind as much but I do mix it up and I certainly don’t straight up PvE for more than an hour. I don’t think PVE is bad but having come from WoW questing is not that much different at its core.

I did find 19 worse than the low 20s actually.

The nice thing, too is that essentially once you hit T4 (Lvl 33?) you are essentially at endgame. So, even though I don’t get all my cool abilities that’s what I do to keep myself sane;)

By AW on Oct 8, 2008

I think that, since Scenario leveling is so significantly more efficient than PvE leveling, it kind of does need to be looked at.
Reason being is that there are people out there who just don’t like to RvR; be it from RPing or (like my wife) just not keen on being squashed by superior players when this is your first MMO or you are just very unexperienced.

If they want to draw in some of the PvE crowd as well, in hopes to kinda make them do some RvR along the way, they shouldn’t have to play for twice as long to keep up with their friends and their guild.

By Timm on Oct 8, 2008

The only reason I can think they did this is for those that have one toon in PvE are almost forced to go exp the other pairings to see the content, which is what I’m having to do

By Malitas on Oct 8, 2008

I haven’t found the solo PvE to be that slow at all. It can often times be faster than other options.

A guild member went from 30 to 40 off of PvE solo quests exclusively in 3 days time of about 5 hours/day. I don’t find that unreasonable at all.

By silex on Oct 8, 2008

@Timm: I see where you are coming from, and I do agree that they need to make the game pleasing for those who *prefer* PvE, myself included. I wish that there were more instances to play, because it’s the kinda of game I like more.

But on the other hand, they should *not* make the good for those who *don’t like* RvR. The entire point of the game is RvR. Giving an option for those who prefer not to engage in RvR all the time is one thing, but WAR is not WoW, and it should not be.

If someone don’t like RvR at all, then I must say they’re playing the wrong game, because WAR won’t ever please them. That would be like saying that Call of Duty should include options for those who don’t like shooting.

By Kemwer on Oct 8, 2008

Unless they are exploiting, almost all the ones that have raced to 40 have done it through the PVE content as there will be no T4 scenarios popping during that time.

So I’d have to agree with silex that it doesn’t sound unreasonable to me either.

By Winged Nazgul on Oct 8, 2008

I am on the same level range as Snafzg is here. And I’ve always been a huge MMORPG fan, but this game is really slowing down for me right now.

Theres like 5 games I want to play this month alone, and in order to keep myself playing I want Mythic to show some really bad ass end-game item or event that will make me want to sit and grind away.

That’s really what WoW did right “Hey look at all this bad ass 40-man dungeon and cool gear that you will never ever get.”

By MrMatthew on Oct 8, 2008

I agree completely. I am a pve’r at heart but do love to help out my pvp guildies in open rvr and group scenarios. But when I’m solo, I really like doing quests and the occasional pq instead of grinding pug scenerios.

At the moment, all of my full pvp friends are well into tier 3 and complaining that I’m still in tier 2. Additionally, I’m getting very frustrated in my rate of improvement as well. I dinged 18 last night and the thought of the grind to 19 almost makes me sick to my stomach.

By Jimi on Oct 8, 2008

I think people need to realize that games can’t be all things to all people. Look at WoW, I think they are nuts for trying to improve their PvP when a) they do PvE so much better and b) PvPers are going to want to play WAR over WoW.

WAR has decent PvE. It’s questing is simpler than WoW’s, if not revolutionary,. I’m not sure what the measure is that people are using but in my opinion, since the focus of this game is the “WAR,” PvE should be a supplement in this game. And it is. While they allow you to both I think they’ve been straightforward in their view of this as an RvR game.

There’s a simple danger if you make PvEing more efficient than it is now. If you do that, you kill the “WAR.” Allowing people to gain xp as efficiently for their time spent as in a scenario is a bad idea and would kill low level RvR.

A perfect example of this balance (or lack thereof) can be found in open RvR vs. scenarios. Already, people tend to ignore open RvR in favor of scenarios due to the fact that scenarios give a much better xp ratio/time than open RvR and can give better renown when you are winning.

By AW on Oct 8, 2008

@Silex there are several posts out there that state that tier 3 is the slowest of them all. I remember going through it on my marauder and it was taking some serious time to get through content, in fact i had completed all of the chaos chapters and i was only level 23, so i went through green skin and barely made it to 24, and finally did dark elf and pushed through it, but pvp is clearly the way to go at least at this point.

@Snafzg I agree, where you are at now in terms of leveling sucks, i like to mix pve and pvp and when we are losing i only pve. When the game first came out and it was a 4 hour que to lose a troll crossing or any of the other scenarios it sucked so you had to grind pve, but is it not efficient, i had to run all of the racial pairings, and heaven forbid you play a class that is slow at soloing. Ie: rune priest or zealot.

This is where i am at now, i can clear all of t1 and all of t2 in less than 24 hours and hit tier 3, this is time played btw. I once i get a level or two into tier 2 i only run mourkain temple and use the 2 quests for it. if you are on a server where this does not pop a lot, look forward to seeing all of the racial pairings. Also as stated above, even if the mobs are grey to you, the quests still pay out the same, so grab them all run them and so on. I think if you are rushing through it and not trying to enjoy a zone it will leave a lot for a run through with an alt, in fact i am on alt #3 with 2 in t4 currently.

Just my 2 cents though

By Enslaver on Oct 8, 2008

I don’t know, maybe is just a matter of perception. I’m not that far from you guys either, I just dinged 22 yesterday before going to bed, but I’m pretty satisfied with my leveling speed.

Granted that I’m not leveling solo, and time does go by a lot faster when you’re talking with others, but I always feel that when I really put my character to work, I can get through an entire rank in a single sitting.

By Kemwer on Oct 8, 2008

@snafzg - But they are still doing it within the framework of the PVE system. The only difference is that they will get to 40 faster. The point is that the XP rewards for PVE are enough to get you to 40 alone without having to rely on PVP.

By Winged Nazgul on Oct 8, 2008

@ Snafzg….

Should there be a rank 40 who is playing 2-3 hours a night? I don’t think so. I remember reading somewhere that Mythic said it would likely take a couple of months for “most” people to get to the level cap.

Also, one other note: I’ve never had a quest that I spent more than 15 minutes on, and certainly not in Tier 2. I’m not trying to offend here, but I’m a bit surprised if you are only getting 4 quests done in an hour.

By AW on Oct 8, 2008

interesting read, but you obviously are doing something wrong.. I’m 25 in 2days 4 hours with only scenarios and travel quests…playing nightly with little rested.. Pace seems fine to me, I imagine 6 days to level cap.. In wow pretbc with your first toon that would have been quite an accomplishment

By digitallinh on Oct 8, 2008

Are those that say they are levelling quickly completeing influence at each chapter? or moving on when they complete quests? I find that the slowest thing for me when levelling in PvE is grinding out, extremely repetitively I might add, PQs for influence.

By Skips on Oct 8, 2008

I only complete influence for those chapters which have an elite reward that I covet. Otherwise, I tend to skip them.

By Winged Nazgul on Oct 8, 2008

@Snafzg - I consider that an exploit so like I said earlier, unless they were expoiting almost all the ones who raced to 40 did so through PVE.

By Winged Nazgul on Oct 8, 2008

Mix is best. Even if you lose a scenario, you can get more xp than the winners.

It’s only when your getting completely stomped that it isn’t a very good way to do it.

Really I’ve been leveling pretty efficiently (or at least doing it enjoyably) by just hanging in the warcamp, queing, and constantly doing the pvp repeatable quests. 15k from 10 minutes in Tor Anroc… mmmm good.

Questing alone is kind of lame. I do it when I feel like questing, not because its actually a good way to level.

By toxic on Oct 8, 2008

Holy jeebus, that’s a LOT of comments.

I level up pretty quick serial questing, but not as fast as I do serial RVRing (hence I often am questing while I wait in scenario queues). I should note that I make the worst XP when I am doing open field RVR…but keep sieges are such ridiculous fun I really don’t care for XP at those times. =)

Really, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the story as I quest through the high elf zones; watching the High Elves unfold the truth behind the war (the Dark Elves and their relationships with the other hostile races) and begin taking strides to make some form of amends with the Dwarves after centuries of acting like fifth graders (though we did start that one, we did).

By thade on Oct 8, 2008

Some of us don’t even have SC’s as an option. I’d swear it was broken on Tor Elyr.

By Leez on Oct 8, 2008

Ok, T2 wasn’t that bad, T3 is horrible.

I played beta, it was awesome, they kept tweaking the XP and it was fast in the beta but bloody fun at the same time.

Live comes, they tweak XP for launch, a little too much. T1 and T2 are fine for quest XP, but they forgot to tweak T3 and T4, you can do a 2 “hubs” of quests in about an hour (not including chains) and that will earn you a little tiny bit of the bar, do the whole AREA and hey presto you have half a level. Go on the the next area and find that all the mobs are 2-4 ranks higher than you…

I believe mythic are doing an awesome job, just tweak XP a little bit more..

I think it would have been a bit more bearable if they kept the killing spree XP in, but some jackass had to exploit it and ruin it for the rest of us.. thanks.

I feel what your saying.

By Matt on Oct 8, 2008

There are plenty of guildies who are rolling Order now just to get into scenarios. Destruction has 5-10 times the wait for scenarios then order. For those the level via RvR is inadequate and need a viable alternate. PVE/questing at your level is too slow. I think just the time needed to kill a mob is fine, but the exp per time taken to kill that mob is a little out of whack. I am glad quest exp is kind of weak, but mob exp needs a tweak.

The one thing that broke up quest grinding in WoW was a good instance every 10 levels. You not only got immersed in a world slightly apart from the area you were leveling in but you were getting good gear, quest experience, and mob exp. I suppose this is the price we early adopters pay - a game world that isn’t fully fleshed out content-wise.

By coppertopper on Oct 8, 2008

I would say that this is most certainly an RvR game; thats where the game really shines and where the most fun is to be had in the way that the game is set up.

Mythic themselves said that it is entirely possible to level completely with RvR, or completely with PvE alone, although the most efficient way would be a combination of the two. So PvE while waiting for Scenarios to pop actually may be the most effective way to level, but should it be?
There is a whole range of levels when, bolstering aside, you are more or less worthless in a scenario, especially as a damage dealer. Healers have more of a chance to compete, but if you are pinned down, you’re going down… big time.

So PvE should be efficient as a way to help yourself become effective in RvR in this game (along with helping your faction’s war effort, i might add). I haven’t done PvE past Tier 2, but I would like to see the differentiation between a character lvl’d solely on RvR and one solely on PvE.

By Timm on Oct 8, 2008

But you can not cover out RVR/Szenario exp in the overall Leveling Process.
This slow PVE progress makes sense if you see that WAR comes as a PVR/RvR Game
If you are only leveling over PVE, than youre doing something wrong.

By Darth_Mueller on Oct 9, 2008

It is the pressure to get to 40. WAR has an aura of 40itis. Everybody is not breathing till they get to 40. The race is on!

By scarybooster on Oct 9, 2008

Considering the rank 40 cap, it seems pretty reasonable to take 2-3 hours to get a level in T2 on strictly PvE content. And that rested XP you’re getting looks bugged to me. Well at T3 last night I got around 700-800xp per kill for an equal con level 27. The quests in T3 typically give between 2k-4k xp and some give a lot like the gunbad party quests that give 11k. But yea they’re focus in both PvE and PvP so doing both will get you the best gains.

If they make the XP gain any better, people will be flying through the content. What they should do perhaps is make getting to the bolstered rank fast but getting past the last couple ranks to get to the next tier slower.

Like for T3 they can make getting to rank 28 relatively easy, then from 28-30 it would be harder to keep people in that prime range longer.

By Itachi on Oct 9, 2008

I think you may have rose colored glasses on for leveling in WOW. Past the easy road to level 30, it took 8+ hours per level and even more once you were in range of the final 10 to 15 levels of the max.

I find the pas in WAR to be fine. I’m level 22 now without any conscious effort. I mix PQs, Quests and RVR. I spend whole evenings just messing around casually - crafting, chatting and exploring. If we leveled faster I’d be almost done in only 3 weeks? I’m sorry but that would be too fast.

I do think that if you’re solo grinding then it’s going to feel like a longer haul. I group more in this game than in any other but still solo about 30% to 40% of my time. When I do, I still find soloing and quests yield decent XP. However, I’m not looking at the bar. I think I can do a level solo in two evenings. But since I’m an old school solo player, if you’re going to solo then be in a chapter up from where you belong. You won’t get the current chapter rewards you’re looking for but you will get more XP and better loot so that’s how I do it.

By Saylah on Oct 9, 2008

I think it’s not bad but that, in relation to what you can make in scenarios, it’s not optimal. I made a post about that issue on my blog today.

http://wingednazgul.blogspot.com/2008/10/more-things-change.html

By Winged Nazgul on Oct 9, 2008

You’re not the only one…I noticed it too. But after leveling in LOTRO, which was stupid fast, I don’t mind it so much. I felt I was missing half the content in LOTRO because I was out leveling each zone before I could finish half the quests.

By Jay on Oct 10, 2008

I actually really like the pace of advancement in PVE. It’s slow enough that you have time to thoroughly explore and appreciate new environments, but fast enough that you always feel like you’re making progress. Of course, I’m only lvl 19, so my opinion could change as I move into the 20s.

By Aquilinus on Oct 10, 2008

I leveled all my characters to Rank 9 solo in PvE and the XP was fine. I leveled most of them from 9 - 11 in scenarios and the XP was about twice as much as the characters I leveled 9 - 11 in PvE.

I then leveled 2 characters from 11 - 18 in PvE and it was fine. The scenario XP at Rank 19 looks to be about twice what even level quests and mobs give. If you are doing quests that have you kill mobs even a level lower then you it seems to be about a 30% hit in total XP (Mob and Quest).
The fastest XP in the game is group quest rushing. You get a full group, grab the quests in the area and do them all as quick as you can and move on. The two nights I did this leveled me much faster then the 9 - 11 scenarios did.

By Sammual on Oct 10, 2008

Man. You guys do not know how easy you have it! I may be dating myself here but I remember in EQ it took you easily a WEEK to gain a level after level 20ish. And that’s if you did not die much. And you know what? It felt really good when you finally made it to the top, like you actually accomplished something. Now with WoW handing out epics to anyone that wants to spend a couple hours in a battleground and War handing you a level every couple hours you make it to level 40 and your standing there next to 10,000 other level 40’s and you like “hmmm… I thought this would be special” I mean, the next MMO to come will probably start you at max level and give you a full layout of epics just for subscribing past the first month. I know this goes against the grain here but I wish War was not this easy. I quit WoW after they stopped making you be keyed for instances and started handing out epics like candy. I really like War but I know I am going to get to 40 soon and ill be bored again. I wish they would make a hardcore server where it took you 10x longer to level. Then when you hit 40 you could say ya! I did it! Theres no way I am quitting because I invested too much time in this. Just a thought. And I don’t think I am alone in this.

By JackBurton on Oct 13, 2008