Min Maxing is always going to occur whenever you have more than 1 ability to choose from, and especially when some of those abilities buff or debuff those around you. There’s just no getting way from it.

Even if the difference between min and max is only 5% DPS or HPS or whatever, we all want to maximize our potential for any particular encounter and we’ll have cookie cutter specs for end game within 2 weeks after launch.

I say lets embrace it and figure this stuff out ASAP.

By Adhar on Aug 29, 2008

I get the feeling the go-to buff for Rune Priests will be the ‘Oath Rune of Warding’; a +200ish (baseline) magic resist. So that kinda kills the resist debuff on the snare.
I really think the key here is the number of bad effects that can be on a player concurrently (debuff slots). Once that is known better min/max recipes can be brewed in dark rooms.

By Davadoff on Aug 29, 2008

Nerf Snafzg!

By Werit on Aug 29, 2008

you bastard, you spoils my strategiez by announcin’ it before we even uses it once! you is so in line for a guild demotion!

By Nazgum on Aug 29, 2008

Please continue your discussion of overpowering strategies. I’m am quite interested in the theory and will in no way use them to slaughter order with my all-greenskin guild.

I too have my eye on Orcish Camaraderie. These types of morale abilities will likely be a big favorite of single race guilds. The only saving grace is that they cost 4 renown points and are at the 40 renown level.

By Skarlix on Aug 30, 2008

Woah woah woah, lets not get to excited here. This is “tha greenskin” so let me give you my counteroffer for theoryhammer:

1 - Find Stunty
2 - Clobber Stunty
c - Clobber Stunty
also - Right in da Jibblies

Do’s it again

By Rixnor on Aug 30, 2008

Add “Get movin!” on the shamans!

By Buliwyf on Aug 30, 2008

shammy gork sayz stop morale rank 1 is supose to be uber that would be awsome to put on someone running from a DPS thats my uber strat lol

By XBloodBlade on Sep 1, 2008

In DAoC (I know it isn’t WAR, but its the closest comparison in terms of RvR) there were groups of players collectively known as Gank Guilds. These were usually small guilds of 8 to 10 players, as DAoC’s “party” size was 8, who would RvR nightly together. They were dubbed “Gank” guilds because they were killing machines. Everyone in that group knew what they could do, what everyone else in the group could do, knew the strategy in every fight, and knew what THEY had do to like clockwork to win that fight. Everything they did was based on one another’s ability to augment the group as much as themselves perfectly. Like Dinosaurs evolving into birds, it’s believed that these ex-Gank Guilders evolved into the upper echelon of Arena teams in WoW.

Anyhow, you can expect to see these players return to WAR. They’ll be the ones you’re always glad to see when you’re losing and always the ones you avoid when from the opposing faction. These 8-mans were known to take on 3-4 groups of other players and walk away near unscathed, having killed 75% of the opponents or left them in a state of constant retreat.

Seeing this thread has gave me hope to see real RvR and X-man’s in action once again. Keep theory crafting group builds for RvR, but be SURE to test them extensively too. When a game is balanced for RvR you have a lot more options open than in MMO’s that are utterly unbalanced for PvP, leaving near perfect group makeup’s. This will mean, that your strategy mentioned could dominate some groups, but not others, and not because of its makeup at all, but because of player potential. You might find that adding one more Squig Herder instead of a Shaman might produce better results b/c that one Shaman turns out to enjoy playing the Squig Herder more…

By Larry-Steve on Sep 2, 2008